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Re: D2 measurements



Dear Oleg,

as I understood you propose to make calibration of the separator by adding of small quantity of tritium and to measure concentration factor. 
I have few questions:
- how presize you can recalculate concentration factor from tritium to deuterium?
- what is the tritium level  for the work WITHOUT stecial permission?
- how to prepare the mixtrure protium with tritium?

With best regards   Sasha.

On 11/29/06, Oleg Fedorchenko <fedor@pnpi.spb.ru> wrote:

Dear colleagues!

 

The natural level of tritium in water is about 7.4*10-6 Bq/g. It means that tritium atomic fraction is 6.2*10-20.

Assuming the same tritium concentration in initial gas and that we can concentrate it by a factor of 50, the maximum tritium level about 3*10 -18 in a sample from the reboiler is expected.

I would like to know exactly the AMS measurement sensitivity to tritium but I doubt whether the influence of such low tritium content on deuterium measurement is possible (if only initial gas will be contaminated by tritium). If you do not know the origin of initial hydrogen gas (which will be taken for the calibration procedure) it is good idea to check it on tritium content just in a case.

 

On the other hand perhaps it should be estimated whether tritium labeling (with measuring in water by Liquid Scintillation Counter method) can give more accurate result for concentration factor?

 

Best regards,

 Oleg

 


From: vasillie@googlemail.com [mailto: vasillie@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Alexander Vasilyev
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 19:30
To: Peter Kammel
Cc: Alexei Vorobyov; claude petitjean; Francoise Mulhauser; Malte Hildebrandt; Marat Vznuzdaev; Oleg Fedorchenko; Peter Kravtsov; Victor Trofimov; Semenchuk
Subject: Re: D2 measurements

 

Dear Peter.
Thanks for the carefull checking in details. It will help to avoid mistakes.

On 11/28/06, Peter Kammel < kammel@npl.uiuc.edu > wrote:

 

iv) A significant uncertainty in your error estimation comes
     from the AMS measurement.
We are all extremely impressed by
     the 0.2 ppm uncertainty quoted by the ETH group, but hope
     to get more details how they achieve this, in particular
     regarding the sample preparation.


This is the main error. Perhaps possible to minimize it. But it does not depend from us.
 

 

v) Finally, as an aside, I was wondering whether we can check the system
     by analyzing for tritium.
I remember that AMS is extremely sensitive
     to tritium. I am sure Oleg knows whether there is enough tritium
     in hydrogen to be sensitive?


This is question to Oleg. But when we clean water from heavy water  we kill TO2 at all! To my mind we do not have sensible quantity of tritium and impossible to make QUANTITIVE measurements. 
 

 

Apart from this technical remarks, let me emphasize that the deuterium
calibration is of key importance.
- It will eliminate an important systematics in the final MuCap result.
- Trace deuterium detection (with pdm fusion) was a main item in our
   CRDF proposal. I am perfectly willing to give up my pdm idea, if
   we can provide <0.1 ppm deuterium diagnostics with your proposed
   method.
- It is a beautiful method, pushing the current technological limits.


 

 

So we should definitely perform this task.

With best regards

Peter


With best regards   Sasha.

--
Vasilyev Alexander

Petersburg Nuclear Physics Institute,
Laboratory of Cryogenic and Superconductive Technique.




--
Vasilyev Alexander

Petersburg Nuclear Physics Institute,
Laboratory of Cryogenic and Superconductive Technique.